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	<title>Comments on: Quickie Reading Updates: Jen Bervin&#8217;s Nets and Juan Felipe Herrera&#8217;s Border-Crosser With a Lamborghini Dream</title>
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		<title>By: oscar</title>
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		<dc:creator>oscar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m viewing the netted text as one poem.  

i prefer the term &#039;fusing&#039; over &#039;using&#039; because bervin utilizes iconic text; hence the macro of canonic poetry with the micro of the contemporary poetry. (note: i dont mean to make one seem larger over the other, i prefer to think of both terms inhabiting a similar space but there relative size based on perspective. in this case, bervin shifts here text to the forefront and makes shakespeare&#039;s text the micro.)  

based on the fact that bervin goes to the iconic, i believe there is opportunity to honor and/or erase.  if she was just using last week&#039;s headline, maybe not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m viewing the netted text as one poem.  </p>
<p>i prefer the term &#8216;fusing&#8217; over &#8216;using&#8217; because bervin utilizes iconic text; hence the macro of canonic poetry with the micro of the contemporary poetry. (note: i dont mean to make one seem larger over the other, i prefer to think of both terms inhabiting a similar space but there relative size based on perspective. in this case, bervin shifts here text to the forefront and makes shakespeare&#8217;s text the micro.)  </p>
<p>based on the fact that bervin goes to the iconic, i believe there is opportunity to honor and/or erase.  if she was just using last week&#8217;s headline, maybe not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Jane Reyes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara Jane Reyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>are you viewing the entire resulting (or remaining, or netted text) as a poem? you are right that the fact that we are continuing to talk about it, whether or not we particularly &#039;enjoyed&#039; it is indicative of some kind of success. 

i don&#039;t know so much about &#039;fusing&#039; together, or i don&#039;t know if that&#039;s how i&#039;d describe what i think she has done. it seems more to me like &quot;using&quot; shakespeare as raw material from which to create a poem, like we would with google search results and other found texts, though i know you are addressing my &#039;erasure&#039; question here. so ultimately i don&#039;t think using a text as found text is either honoring or erasing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>are you viewing the entire resulting (or remaining, or netted text) as a poem? you are right that the fact that we are continuing to talk about it, whether or not we particularly &#8216;enjoyed&#8217; it is indicative of some kind of success. </p>
<p>i don&#8217;t know so much about &#8216;fusing&#8217; together, or i don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s how i&#8217;d describe what i think she has done. it seems more to me like &#8220;using&#8221; shakespeare as raw material from which to create a poem, like we would with google search results and other found texts, though i know you are addressing my &#8216;erasure&#8217; question here. so ultimately i don&#8217;t think using a text as found text is either honoring or erasing it.</p>
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		<title>By: oscar</title>
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		<dc:creator>oscar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 04:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i posted some quick thoughts about &lt;i&gt;nets&lt;/i&gt; but the more i think about it, the more i am uncertain as to whether nevins has created an effective book length poem or just an effective poem that didn&#039;t need the blurred text.  

either way, i would say that she has brought herself into the text--a bold move, for sure--and forged a poem that honors the classic while bringing in the speaker&#039;s contemporary voice.  in that, by fusing the macro and the micro, i believe she has created a successful poem.  

my question still stands: did she have to use 150 one sided pages to get to that poem?  i guess the fact that this reader is still asking that question can qualify as another marker of a successful poem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i posted some quick thoughts about <i>nets</i> but the more i think about it, the more i am uncertain as to whether nevins has created an effective book length poem or just an effective poem that didn&#8217;t need the blurred text.  </p>
<p>either way, i would say that she has brought herself into the text&#8211;a bold move, for sure&#8211;and forged a poem that honors the classic while bringing in the speaker&#8217;s contemporary voice.  in that, by fusing the macro and the micro, i believe she has created a successful poem.  </p>
<p>my question still stands: did she have to use 150 one sided pages to get to that poem?  i guess the fact that this reader is still asking that question can qualify as another marker of a successful poem.</p>
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