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	<title>Comments on: Poetic Industrial Complex: First Book Prize Question</title>
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		<title>By: Alison Meyers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison Meyers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate reading thoughtful comments about the 2008 Cave Canem Poetry Prize. Like the poets who entered, I was very disappointed by the judge&#039;s decision. This outcome is unprecedented in the history of the Cave Canem Poetry Prize, a successful program since inaugurated in 1999 with Rita Dove&#039;s selection of Natasha Trethewey&#039;s &quot;Domestic Work.&quot; From time to time, judges of contests decline to &quot;anoint&quot; one manuscript as exceptional, as award-winning; but that does not mean the overall quality of submissions is low. The Cave Canem Poetry Prize program, despite this blip in 2008, is alive and well. It will resume with the 2009 Prize; the winner&#039;s book will be published by Graywolf Press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate reading thoughtful comments about the 2008 Cave Canem Poetry Prize. Like the poets who entered, I was very disappointed by the judge&#8217;s decision. This outcome is unprecedented in the history of the Cave Canem Poetry Prize, a successful program since inaugurated in 1999 with Rita Dove&#8217;s selection of Natasha Trethewey&#8217;s &#8220;Domestic Work.&#8221; From time to time, judges of contests decline to &#8220;anoint&#8221; one manuscript as exceptional, as award-winning; but that does not mean the overall quality of submissions is low. The Cave Canem Poetry Prize program, despite this blip in 2008, is alive and well. It will resume with the 2009 Prize; the winner&#8217;s book will be published by Graywolf Press.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Jane Reyes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara Jane Reyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks folks, for all the comments. 

Javier, I see your point. I actually didn&#039;t read Espada&#039;s comment as disparaging, but as critical not of any particular one poet or poets but of a larger or popular trend of political poetry that he wishes would aspire to something else. I feel like this is the role of our mentors - to push younger poets out of their comfort zones. &quot;Tough love,&quot; as I&#039;ve written above. 

You are right; there is a time and a place for criticism, and in celebration of Pompa&#039;s good work, this is what folks should focus on, rather than on what it is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks folks, for all the comments. </p>
<p>Javier, I see your point. I actually didn&#8217;t read Espada&#8217;s comment as disparaging, but as critical not of any particular one poet or poets but of a larger or popular trend of political poetry that he wishes would aspire to something else. I feel like this is the role of our mentors &#8211; to push younger poets out of their comfort zones. &#8220;Tough love,&#8221; as I&#8217;ve written above. </p>
<p>You are right; there is a time and a place for criticism, and in celebration of Pompa&#8217;s good work, this is what folks should focus on, rather than on what it is not.</p>
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		<title>By: Javier Huerta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Javier Huerta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The passage you quote from Martin Espada&#039;s citation is precisely the part that made me hesitate. I was going to write something against it but decided that the moment called for a celebration of the poetry of Paul Martinez Pompa. 

My issue is that I would like to know to whom is Espada referring when he says, &quot;the overheated language that all too often consigns poetry of social conscience to oblivion.&quot; 

My point is that one person&#039;s oblivion may be another persons&#039;s tradition.

In addition, I don&#039;t know why this disparaging is necessary to celebrate Pompa&#039;s poetry. I know Pompa&#039;s work; there is enough there to talk about in positive terms without contrasting it to some other work that apparently has been lost to oblivion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The passage you quote from Martin Espada&#8217;s citation is precisely the part that made me hesitate. I was going to write something against it but decided that the moment called for a celebration of the poetry of Paul Martinez Pompa. </p>
<p>My issue is that I would like to know to whom is Espada referring when he says, &#8220;the overheated language that all too often consigns poetry of social conscience to oblivion.&#8221; </p>
<p>My point is that one person&#8217;s oblivion may be another persons&#8217;s tradition.</p>
<p>In addition, I don&#8217;t know why this disparaging is necessary to celebrate Pompa&#8217;s poetry. I know Pompa&#8217;s work; there is enough there to talk about in positive terms without contrasting it to some other work that apparently has been lost to oblivion.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Villar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Villar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Francisco (&amp; Barbara):  

Look at Cave Canem over the years:  its faculty, the community of writing professionals, editors, and writers that sprang from it, all the scholarly work it has inspired (including a number of participants who went on to MFA&#039;s and Ph.D.&#039;s AFTER attending--contrary to popular belief that only grad students go to CC), and the poets traditionally affiliated with it (including a Pulitzer Prize winner who was first a Cave Canem prize winner).  It ain&#039;t no University writing program, but to my mind, it is just as prestigious.  Also, F, while you&#039;re right that the competition is open to all walks, I think it&#039;s a safe bet that the majority of entrants into the competition are/were affliated in some way with the retreat and its community.  Given all this, I am disappointed in Major&#039;s decision as well.  Highly so.  Has the quality of the work dropped off that drastically from one year to the next?  Having read four entries from the competition myself (albeit informally), I&#039;m hard-pressed to say yes.  But what do I know?

@ Collin:  Agreed.  Agreed.  Agreed.

@ Barbara again:  A thoroughly enjoyable interview with Martin appears in the latest issue of THE WRITERS&#039; CHRONICLE, put out by AWP.  He talks deftly about the intersection of craft and politics...despite his interviewers!  I&#039;d love to engage him in a conversation on the craft of political poetry.  In fact, I just might... oooooo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Francisco (&amp; Barbara):  </p>
<p>Look at Cave Canem over the years:  its faculty, the community of writing professionals, editors, and writers that sprang from it, all the scholarly work it has inspired (including a number of participants who went on to MFA&#8217;s and Ph.D.&#8217;s AFTER attending&#8211;contrary to popular belief that only grad students go to CC), and the poets traditionally affiliated with it (including a Pulitzer Prize winner who was first a Cave Canem prize winner).  It ain&#8217;t no University writing program, but to my mind, it is just as prestigious.  Also, F, while you&#8217;re right that the competition is open to all walks, I think it&#8217;s a safe bet that the majority of entrants into the competition are/were affliated in some way with the retreat and its community.  Given all this, I am disappointed in Major&#8217;s decision as well.  Highly so.  Has the quality of the work dropped off that drastically from one year to the next?  Having read four entries from the competition myself (albeit informally), I&#8217;m hard-pressed to say yes.  But what do I know?</p>
<p>@ Collin:  Agreed.  Agreed.  Agreed.</p>
<p>@ Barbara again:  A thoroughly enjoyable interview with Martin appears in the latest issue of THE WRITERS&#8217; CHRONICLE, put out by AWP.  He talks deftly about the intersection of craft and politics&#8230;despite his interviewers!  I&#8217;d love to engage him in a conversation on the craft of political poetry.  In fact, I just might&#8230; oooooo!</p>
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		<title>By: Francisco  Aragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francisco  Aragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the Cave Canem poetry workshop takes place at a U of Pitt campus, as far as I know the Cave Canem Prize is not officially affiliated with any particular writing program (though the cofounders of CC teach in two), and the prize is open to poets from all across the aesthetic spectrum. I was disappointed to learn that the prize was not awarded this year---particularly in the wake of our new initiative that pairs Montoya Prize winners with Cave Canem winners. Next summer Ronaldo Wilson and Gabe Gomez will be in residence together at the Anderson Center in MN, and give a reading together in Chicago. So it looks like Paul will have to be in residence with the 2009 winner (one hopes).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the Cave Canem poetry workshop takes place at a U of Pitt campus, as far as I know the Cave Canem Prize is not officially affiliated with any particular writing program (though the cofounders of CC teach in two), and the prize is open to poets from all across the aesthetic spectrum. I was disappointed to learn that the prize was not awarded this year&#8212;particularly in the wake of our new initiative that pairs Montoya Prize winners with Cave Canem winners. Next summer Ronaldo Wilson and Gabe Gomez will be in residence together at the Anderson Center in MN, and give a reading together in Chicago. So it looks like Paul will have to be in residence with the 2009 winner (one hopes).</p>
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		<title>By: Collin Kelley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Collin Kelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it incomprehensible that there wasn&#039;t a single manuscript not worth publishing. After reading (and hearing) about how underlings comb through the entries and send up what they think is the best work, it makes me wonder whose incredible manuscript was shredded or returned without ever making it to Major to read. I&#039;d love to be able to read the manuscripts Major actually saw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it incomprehensible that there wasn&#8217;t a single manuscript not worth publishing. After reading (and hearing) about how underlings comb through the entries and send up what they think is the best work, it makes me wonder whose incredible manuscript was shredded or returned without ever making it to Major to read. I&#8217;d love to be able to read the manuscripts Major actually saw.</p>
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